Starting to Learn Shanghainese
This blog has kindly been written by Carl Cheung on his experience of starting to learn Shanghainese.
I’ve never heard a lick of Shanghainese before, and my Mandarin is sub-par at best.
So when my good friend Alex offered me Mandarin-to-Shanghainese lessons.
I thought “learning Shanghainese is going to be insanely hard, but screw it why not, maybe it’ll help me on the rest of my Chinese”.
Coming from a Cantonese speaking family and community, and growing up in an English speaking environment (not Hongcouver), I have a pretty unique perspective learning Shanghainese.
There are many characters that sound close to something in Cantonese. But the grammar, common sentence structures and common vocabulary are much more aligned with Mandarin.
(you know Carl mentioned that good friend Alex, here he is by the way)!
Learn Shanghainese – Pronunciation and Pinyin
Overall, it definitely has helped me pick up the pronunciation faster.
One of the more difficult linguistic patterns to pronounce actually exists in Cantonese but not English or Mandarin.
The unofficial Shanghainese pinyin for the character “I” is written ngo and it is made up of 2 sounds (1 syllable, 2 sounds, like “there”). The first one, ng, is made by closing your airway with the back of your tongue. For the second, open your airway while saying “oh” (like “all”).
Another two patterns that were very difficult to distinguish for me, was “mu” and “mo”.
If I wrote the pinyin, I definitely would have gone with “moo” instead of “mu” and “mou” instead of “mo” because that’s what they sound like in English. The difference is so subtle, it’s the difference between sm’oo’th and m’oo’r.
Apparently still different enough to have different pinyin though.
Learn Shanghainese – Tones
The most common tones in Shanghainese are like the first 2 of Mandarin, high-to-high and low-to-high.
Only two, should be easy to remember right? Nope. The tones of a character will change depending on where it is in a word and what character is beside it. In the common two character vocabularies, the first character has its original tone, but the second one changes to high-to-high. This pattern of tones changing is called ‘tone sandhi’ according to very legit sources (and in linguistics).
Who Speaks Shanghainese today?
People that can only speak Shanghainese is limited to the older generation in Shanghai.
The rest of the time, it’s pretty much only spoken within families with roots in Shanghai.
However, Shanghainese actually belongs to the second most spoken Chinese dialect group, behind Mandarin. If you already know Mandarin and are looking to learn another local language, Shanghainese should definitely be near the top of your list.
Richard explains all about his reasons for learning Shanghainese in this introduction along with teaching you some simple phrases to get you started on your Shanghainese journey:
Learn Shanghainese with LTL
Carl’s Learn Shanghainese Blog Series
Shanghainese or Shanghai Hua 上海话 is a local dialect spoken by Shanghainese people. Not all locals speak Shanghainese, with Mandarin becoming the prime spoken language, but it is still very much alive with locals, especially of the elder generation.
No they have significant differences to the point where a fluent Mandarin speaker would have problems understanding various elements of spoken Shanghainese.
If you do not live in Shanghai, there is really no need to. If you live in Shanghai, there is no harm in doing so but Mandarin would generally be the most useful.
If you wish to learn Shanghainese, LTL provides lessons with local Shanghainese teachers.
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